. >> one of the more controversial episodes is a trip that howard made to north vietnam along with dan, very fans peace activist. he talked a little bit about how that came together and what happened? >> it was the result of another very well known peace activist at the time. call howard and said that fit the north vietnamese leaders had alerted he in the league in that they were willing to release three american pilots who had been captured but wanted to release them into the hands of peace initiatives, and not enter prison this from the u.s. hear the. and so hard was asked to go with them very in tune errors said, when. he said, tomorrow morning. he left the next morning. there was a little bit of conflict over how the pows were being released in regard to get back to the united states. >> it had been howards' understanding that the released pilots would come home fire commercial planes, and the u.s. government insisted on using government planes which outraged not only howard and dan, also the war resisters league and everyone who had been involved in that operation. >> and when he